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Anyone else find it ironic when a creationist demands PROOF for evolution? Why do they think there's none?
But, the amusing double standard aside, what makes it even more ludicrous is the often-parroted claim that there’s no (or sketchy) proof of evolution. False assumption:
Fossil evidence (proves what is often called "macro evolution", or major change resulting from repeated mutations over time, usually of physical characteristics under the common, sketchy definition of the word):
http://www.livescience.com/animals/09021 1-transitional-fossils.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIijwkaqK zY&feature=player_embedded
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/ 2009/02/photogalleries/darwin-birthday-e volution/index.html#0137_600×450.jpg
Observed instances of speciation:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-spec iation.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/speciati on.html
More evolution:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/li nes/index.shtml
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary /search/topicbrowse2.php?topic_id=46
Common descent:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evidence_of _common_descent
(Yes, it’s a Wiki article which I don’t believe is as unreliable as Wiki articles are notorious for been; check out references links etc. if necessary)
http://txtwriter.com/Backgrounders/Evolu tion/EVpage03.html
I could keep coughing up more, but I get the feeling if piles of fossil evidence, DNA evidence, lab observations, experiments and near unanimous support in the scientific community is not enough, nothing is.
Bonus points to those who can answer the question directly WITHOUT using strawman arguments, irrelevant articles/YouTube videos, scientifically illiterate claims, ancient misquotations of Darwin, insults, or obvious parrots of creationist propaganda which has long since been refuted.
So you find a few people’s "demands" ironic? There must be a lot of irony in your purple sky world.
Highway | Feb 01, 2010
Creationists? Accept evidence? HA! Don’t be silly, that goes against the very definition of the word!
Kyle | Feb 01, 2010
3 Questions:
1. Where did all the matter in the universe come from? Is it eternal?
2. Has there ever been an example of a mutation which had more
genetic information than the originals?
3. Can life come from non-life? Can a rock give birth?
Evolution as a religion:
Christianity Evolution
By faith we believe God created heavens and the earth.
By faith they believe they will
some day discover where all the
matter in the universe came from.
We believe in the supernatural: They believe in the supernatural:
Man created from dust. Life created from non-life.
Thus both Christianity and evolution are faith based belief systems that are
totally dependent on supernatural (miraculous) events.
Other Problems!
1. Survival of the fittest morality.
2. Racism.
icerules13 | Feb 01, 2010
Take a look at this book with a open mind.
Erectus Walks Amongst Us. http://erectuswalksamongst.us/
Brother Wayne | Feb 01, 2010
Creationists demand proof, but then insist they don’t need any to explain their theories because faith is enough lol
Pork Daddy | Feb 01, 2010
No fossil transitional animals, no live transitional animals, can not get past the first and second law of thermodynamics. What proof????? Really study, my friend. Science does not prove evolution but scientists who are bias against God say that there is evolution. The is no evolution.
G C | Feb 01, 2010
I also can see the irony in a creationist demanding proof of evolution. I think the proof they are demanding must be from the Bible, because people seem to believe anything in that interesting book of stories. Is there anything in the apocrypha that may dispute such claims of creationism? I have not read very much of those texts.
My question is, some day will the people of the future worship the books of Tom Clancy or Michael Creighton or maybe Dan Brown? Those are just books you say? Well, so is the Bible.
Gillian | Feb 01, 2010
I saw a flying turtle preying on a burrowing giraffe the other day. oh wait, never mind,i forgot that evolution is not true. if i played survival of the fittest with you, you wouldn’t be to happy about your doctrines.
One Man, One World | Feb 01, 2010
Mathew10:33 "But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven."
Mark 8:38 "For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels."
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Luke 9:26 "For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when He comes in His glory, and the glory of the Father and of the holy angels.
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2 Timothy 2:12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
live4god7777 | Feb 01, 2010
Well, the reason is that most of them have no idea what evolution is about or what it says. They’re told certain things about evolution, and most of them are content to repeat what they’ve been told without doing any real research or reading to make sure of what they’ve been told. And the people doing the telling invariably either don’t understand evolution themselves, or are deliberately distorting what it says in order to convince their flock that it’s wrong. Apparently the Ninth Commandment is optional on some subjects.
Edit: G C is an excellent example: a string of tired creationist arguments that have all been debunked repeatedly, and some of which even Answers in Genesis lists as arguments that shouldn’t be used for creationism because they’re bad arguments.
Leon B | Feb 01, 2010
Evolution is not a religion. It is a proven theory. It is not a scientific law, however. I’m not 100% on this, but I believe the difference here is in that a law can is completely understood in all aspects. The nature of evolution prevents this as it is very random and chaotic. Quantum physics is full of chaotic proven theories, and yet atomic energy is very real. Gravitation is also another similar, non-law-proven theory, but even Jesus couldn’t fly to the moon, at least not in the flesh.
Religious beliefs, on the other hand are not theories, they are just that, beliefs. They demand no proof, that is the fundamental property of faith. Any proof of faith decreases its value. This is the basis of all religion.
Life can come from non-life, but its far more complex than a rock simply giving birth. Conditions have to be very specific.
We know the past of our universe is not eternal. The universe is roughly somewhere between 13.5 and 14 billion years old. This has been conclusively demonstrated by astronomy.
We don’t know if the mass of the universe is eternal for certain, but there are a number of leading theories. It seems the most currently supported one is that eventually all of the atoms in the universe will become ripped apart several trillion trillion years from now or longer, however this is not a fully proven theory, and there are others.
As for the value of spirituality, I would tend to regard that the why patterns form in chaos at all is not the real issue, but simply that the patterns themselves are.
mike19772005 | Feb 01, 2010
its always going to be something that people argue about, because even smart people are stupid, if they where smart they wouldent bother fighting about what happened 3 billion years ago, they would be working on whats going to happen in the future. any time you say you "KNOW" something has been pieced together from any mix of distorted fossil evidence, mathematical model, myth, theology, or anything else that cant be witnessed today, then your stupid. creationism and evolution are just theories, and although evolution does have alot of evidence, even an atheist cant truely say with 100% certanty that evolution is the answer to how, but there was an in intelligence that set it in motion.
people forget how small we are, that compared to the universe that we live in we are living on a single cell in the body of an animal the size of our galaxy, and you can fit thousands of cells on the head of a pin. you cant even imagine those proportions, that alone should tell you how limited we are, you cant even WRAP YOUR MIND around how we physically fit into the universe. theres no way in our short 15k years or so of self awareness, let alone the 6k years or so of recorded history, that we as a species could even begin to claim that we KNOW how it all started. we are just a blip on the radar screen, and anyone who spends all this energy fighting about how we got here is wasting wasting his life, and if there is a god (i dont claim to know, but i tend to think not) then your disrespecting him by wasting the gift he gave you
Joe | Feb 01, 2010
There is a great deal of EVIDENCE for evolution, but there is no proof. There is no question that there is change and/or mutation within a species. There is no question life began on Earth approximately four billion years ago, and it is quite likely that our ancestors appeared around that time, but evolution is still just a theory. Evidently you have a much lower standard for "proof" than I. I think that it is ironic that it took me a decade of study and investigation before I was ready to call myself an Atheist and a quarter of a century to fully embrace the Baha’i Faith, yet Atheists claim there is no evidence of God. If there is no evidence, then what do you suggest I was studying, Superman Comic Books? I was a much more staunch Atheists than any I have ever met or known about (strictly speaking I was an atheistic Agnostic). To me, Richard Dawkins is quite weak. The fact is there is a much stronger case for the existence of God than evolution, quantum physics or the Big Bang. Atheists ask for proof there is a God yet when I offer it I am ignored and though there is no attempt to show where the proof is lacking and many times no response at all, the same Atheists keep claiming there is no proof or even evidence.
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